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		<title>By: Some links for light reading (30/4/08) &#124; Max Design</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some links for light reading (30/4/08) &#124; Max Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eat your greens! &#187; 34th Annual Blackheath &#38; Greenwich Amnesty Book Sale</title>
		<link>http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2008/haccessibility-one-year-on/comment-page-1/#comment-653505</link>
		<dc:creator>Eat your greens! &#187; 34th Annual Blackheath &#38; Greenwich Amnesty Book Sale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andy Mabbett</title>
		<link>http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2008/haccessibility-one-year-on/comment-page-1/#comment-535748</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Mabbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On checking my archives for an unrelated discussion, I found today that &lt;a href=&quot;http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-April/003843.html&quot; title=&quot;microformats mailing list post&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I first raised issues with abbr-abuse on 24 April 2006&lt;/a&gt;, much earlier than I thought I had done so.

The cabal was in denial, even then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On checking my archives for an unrelated discussion, I found today that <a href="http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-April/003843.html" title="microformats mailing list post" rel="nofollow">I first raised issues with abbr-abuse on 24 April 2006</a>, much earlier than I thought I had done so.</p>
<p>The cabal was in denial, even then.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Berriman</title>
		<link>http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2008/haccessibility-one-year-on/comment-page-1/#comment-507937</link>
		<dc:creator>Frances Berriman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way - just wanted to ping: http://fberriman.com/2008/05/16/the-bbc-needs-you/  - if you (or anyone else) can help in any way?  Thanks Bruce :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way &#8211; just wanted to ping: <a href="http://fberriman.com/2008/05/16/the-bbc-needs-you/" rel="nofollow">http://fberriman.com/2008/05/16/the-bbc-needs-you/</a>  &#8211; if you (or anyone else) can help in any way?  Thanks Bruce <img src='http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy Mabbett</title>
		<link>http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2008/haccessibility-one-year-on/comment-page-1/#comment-499431</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Mabbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Cerbera: You may not be able to &quot;keep a straight face&quot;, but you have also failed to respond to the challenge to come up with a better, more accessible, usable and valid method than the &quot;data:&quot; prefix proposal. HTML5 is, at best, a decade-and-a-half away from widespread deployment in the real world. It may be a useful fix then, but for now it&#039;s just a red herring. 

@Eric Meyer: Do you think &lt;code&gt;&lt;abbr class=&quot;dtend&quot; title=&quot;2009-01-01&quot;&gt;&lt;/code&gt;, as currently used in microformats, is accessible and understandable? Or do you think people will perhaps understand it to mean 1 January 2009, and not, as it is used, 31 December 2008?

@Bruce/ Mike: Yes, people are are being stone-walled. Stone-walling is an oft-used - and documented - tactic of the unelected cabal running the microformats &quot;community&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cerbera: You may not be able to &#8220;keep a straight face&#8221;, but you have also failed to respond to the challenge to come up with a better, more accessible, usable and valid method than the &#8220;data:&#8221; prefix proposal. HTML5 is, at best, a decade-and-a-half away from widespread deployment in the real world. It may be a useful fix then, but for now it&#8217;s just a red herring. </p>
<p>@Eric Meyer: Do you think <code>&lt;abbr class="dtend" title="2009-01-01"&gt;</code>, as currently used in microformats, is accessible and understandable? Or do you think people will perhaps understand it to mean 1 January 2009, and not, as it is used, 31 December 2008?</p>
<p>@Bruce/ Mike: Yes, people are are being stone-walled. Stone-walling is an oft-used &#8211; and documented &#8211; tactic of the unelected cabal running the microformats &#8220;community&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben 'Cerbera' Millard</title>
		<link>http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2008/haccessibility-one-year-on/comment-page-1/#comment-494105</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben 'Cerbera' Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accessify Forums is back up, so you can read the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10419&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;most recent Microformats thread&lt;/a&gt;. It includes links to past threads about Microformat accessibility.

Good analogy to text sizing, Bruce.

Framing this debate as being about custom settings in screen readers is missing the point, &lt;abbr title=&quot;in my humble opinion&quot;&gt;imho&lt;/abbr&gt;. Data in &lt;code&gt;title&lt;/code&gt; affects &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt; using a device which implements &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;acronym title=&quot;Hypertext Markup Language 4&quot;&gt;HTML4&lt;/acronym&gt; &lt;code&gt;title&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/a&gt; according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-text&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the specification&lt;/a&gt;.

Try hovering your mouse over any &lt;code&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/code&gt; or &lt;code&gt;&lt;a href&gt;&lt;/code&gt; with data in its &lt;code&gt;title&lt;/code&gt; value. Then explain how that&#039;s a user-friendly design choice while keeping a straight face. I can&#039;t manage that! :)

It&#039;s worth mentioning &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-text-level.html#the-time&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;acronym title=&quot;Hypertext Markup Language 5&quot;&gt;HTML5&lt;/acronym&gt; &lt;code&gt;&lt;time datetime&gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/a&gt; for the time and date cases. But letting the &lt;code&gt;data-&lt;/code&gt; attributes have meaning to &lt;acronym title=&quot;User Agents&quot;&gt;UAs&lt;/acronym&gt; seems more widely useful than enshrining one particular use-case, to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accessify Forums is back up, so you can read the <a href="http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10419" rel="nofollow">most recent Microformats thread</a>. It includes links to past threads about Microformat accessibility.</p>
<p>Good analogy to text sizing, Bruce.</p>
<p>Framing this debate as being about custom settings in screen readers is missing the point, <abbr title="in my humble opinion">imho</abbr>. Data in <code>title</code> affects <em>everyone</em> using a device which implements <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title" rel="nofollow"><acronym title="Hypertext Markup Language 4">HTML4</acronym> <code>title</code></a> according to <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-text" rel="nofollow">the specification</a>.</p>
<p>Try hovering your mouse over any <code>&lt;abbr&gt;</code>, <code>&lt;span&gt;</code> or <code>&lt;a href&gt;</code> with data in its <code>title</code> value. Then explain how that&#8217;s a user-friendly design choice while keeping a straight face. I can&#8217;t manage that! <img src='http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth mentioning <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-text-level.html#the-time" rel="nofollow"><acronym title="Hypertext Markup Language 5">HTML5</acronym> <code>&lt;time datetime&gt;</code></a> for the time and date cases. But letting the <code>data-</code> attributes have meaning to <acronym title="User Agents">UAs</acronym> seems more widely useful than enshrining one particular use-case, to me.</p>
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