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		<title>By: Netmosfera</title>
		<link>http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2009/html-5-is-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-833282</link>
		<dc:creator>Netmosfera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 02:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m tired to say that html5 is a mess. Nobody will listen to you. But I&#039;m perseverant.

lot of random issues that we can talk about:

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aside is tangential but related content, it does introduce new section
and, if it is a navigation menu I should write:

[aside]
    [nav][/nav]
[/aside]

but hey, I don&#039;t need two nested sections. basically specific section tags, can&#039;t have two roles.

- an article can&#039;t be a nav
- but an article can be an aside
- and a nav can be an aside
- the body can be an article (read below)

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[article] is useless: If the [body] --IS-- the article, I&#039;m obligated to introduce one unwanted section

[body][article][/article][body]

and, after years, there is still not a way to clearly distinguish SITE TITLE and DOCUMENT TITLE
read this: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14540#c2

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It is supposed that all elements semantically contains some related data to them, but is not:

[aside]
    [!-- advertising banners here --]
    [h1]Site Navigation
    [ul][/ul]
[/aside]

are the banners related? I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m tired to say that html5 is a mess. Nobody will listen to you. But I&#8217;m perseverant.</p>
<p>lot of random issues that we can talk about:</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>aside is tangential but related content, it does introduce new section<br />
and, if it is a navigation menu I should write:</p>
<p>[aside]<br />
    [nav][/nav]<br />
[/aside]</p>
<p>but hey, I don&#8217;t need two nested sections. basically specific section tags, can&#8217;t have two roles.</p>
<p>- an article can&#8217;t be a nav<br />
- but an article can be an aside<br />
- and a nav can be an aside<br />
- the body can be an article (read below)</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>[article] is useless: If the [body] &#8211;IS&#8211; the article, I&#8217;m obligated to introduce one unwanted section</p>
<p>[body][article][/article][body]</p>
<p>and, after years, there is still not a way to clearly distinguish SITE TITLE and DOCUMENT TITLE<br />
read this: <a href="http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14540#c2" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14540#c2</a></p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>It is supposed that all elements semantically contains some related data to them, but is not:</p>
<p>[aside]<br />
    [!-- advertising banners here --]<br />
    [h1]Site Navigation<br />
    [ul][/ul]<br />
[/aside]</p>
<p>are the banners related? I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: HTML 5 is a mess &#8211; Bruce Lawson &#124; Damjan Mozetič Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2009/html-5-is-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-697626</link>
		<dc:creator>HTML 5 is a mess &#8211; Bruce Lawson &#124; Damjan Mozetič Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2009/html-5-is-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-625512</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My big issue with all these new element names is I&#039;m not entirely sure why we are changing something like div class=&quot;footer&quot; div role=&quot;footer&quot;. Are these changes something that will help our users, or are we just standardizing a language, in which case - why is this a &#039;role&#039; and not its own element?

Other than saving 5-6 characters when typing, what&#039;s the benefit of using   vs  for developers, and for users?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My big issue with all these new element names is I&#8217;m not entirely sure why we are changing something like div class=&#8221;footer&#8221; div role=&#8221;footer&#8221;. Are these changes something that will help our users, or are we just standardizing a language, in which case &#8211; why is this a &#8216;role&#8217; and not its own element?</p>
<p>Other than saving 5-6 characters when typing, what&#8217;s the benefit of using   vs  for developers, and for users?</p>
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		<title>By: six03 &#187; HTML5, DOCTYPES &#38; MIME Types</title>
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		<dc:creator>six03 &#187; HTML5, DOCTYPES &#38; MIME Types</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] played with the beautifully hand-crafted tags, read the articles from my friends Jeffrey and Bruce. Those throw me for a loop. XHTML2 seems to be a dead issue, I know I said I&#8217;d &#8220;sit [...]</description>
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		<title>By: In defense of XHTML [en] &#171; Realidad Aparte</title>
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		<dc:creator>In defense of XHTML [en] &#171; Realidad Aparte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>SitePoint Podcast #20: YouTube Deep-sixes IE 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 02:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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